Iran -teocratie si ........silicoane

[Mariyah]

Construieste bomba nucleara, finanteaza terorismul si vrea sa stearga Israelul de pe harta. Este inamicul nr. 1 al SUA si al Occidentului. Ce alte fete are insa Iranul, in afara de cea a presedintelui radical Ahmadinejad? Putina lume stie ca Iranul a avut in 1906 primul parlament din Orientul Mijlociu, gratie campaniei duse chiar de mullahi (clerici musulmani), cu vederi progresiste. Apoi, ultimii doi sahi ai Iranului au incercat sa impuna secularismul.




Nu este exclus ca Iranul sa fi fost astazi o democratie, daca in 1953 premierul Muhammad Mossadegh nu ar fi fost inlaturat de la putere cu ajutor american, dupa ce a nationalizat Compania anglo-iraniana de petrol, nemultumit ca prea putin din cistig ajungea la iranieni. SUA s-au temut ca Mossadegh ar favoriza URSS. La rindul lor, mullahii iranieni s-au temut, pe buna dreptate, ca premierul va transforma total Iranul in democratie. Totul a dus la caderea lui in 1953, urmata de un regim despotic al sahului si apoi al fiului acestuia (Pah-lavi), de unde conditii incipiente pentru revolutia islamica in 1979.

Aliat al SUA, prieten cu Ceausescu

Sahul Pahlavi era, la acea vreme, principalul aliat in Orient al SUA, alaturi de Israel, si bun prieten inclusiv cu dictatorul roman Ceausescu. In timp, dupa instalarea republicii islamice siite, chiar clericii iranieni au acuzat public ca revolutia aprinsa de ayatollahul Khomeini in 1979 a „deraiat“ si ca religia are de pierdut daca nu e separata de treburile statului.

Femeile ameninta barbatii

In universitati sint mult mai multe femei decit barbati, cam 60-70%. Autoritatile au intrat in panica si intentioneaza sa impuna restrictii pentru anumite domenii „mai masculine“, iar barbatii sa fie discriminati pozitiv. A crescut si rata divorturilor, desi o femeie inca nu poate divorta de sotul ei decit daca invoca insatisfactia sexuala drept motiv.


Capitala modei... islamice

Doua femei stau de vorba linga bazar. Una este imbracata in chador (in persana inseamna „cort“ si este o bucata de pinza neagra care acopera corpul din cap pina in picioare). Cealalta, mai tinara, poarta un fel de sacou mulat pe corp, care abia ii acopera soldurile, cu mineci care lasa jumatate de brat descoperit, blue-jeansi trei-sferturi, un sal aruncat lejer, lasind sa se vada parul vopsit blond. Este machiata exagerat. Pe linga ele trec barbati tineri cu tricouri mulate si cantitati considerabile de gel in par. La cite-va strazi mai incolo, linga Universitatea Teheran, e o masina a „politiei moralei“.



„Pentru un sal neglijent pus pe cap te poti alege cu un drum la sectie si o amenda de 100 de dolari, iar uneori si ceva palme“, spune tinara. „Si ce-or sa-mi faca? N-au altceva mai bun de facut decit sa ma duca la sectie si sa-mi dea amenda?“, spune insa, bataioasa. Luna aceasta, la Teheran, a avut loc prima defilare de moda in peste 20 de ani. Manechinele purtau numai chadoruri care nu lasa sa se vada forma corpului.



Ras in cap si calare pe magar

„M-au batut un pic... am scapat usor. Are tata pe cineva.... Bine ca eram singur, plecasem de la o petrecere“, marturiseste zimbind Reza. A fost prins mirosind a alcool. Pentru asta - o bataie zdravana la politie si chiar inchisoare. Reza povesteste ca are doi prieteni care, pentru ca s-au bucurat cam galagios dupa un meci, au fost pedepsiti prin umilire publica: tunsi chilug de o palma in crestetul capului, pusi pe un magar cu fata la coada animalului si purtati prin oras in risetele tuturor. Reza spune ca de anul trecut s-au inmultit cazurile de tineri pedepsiti aspru pentru ca au fost prinsi la petreceri mixte sau bind alcool - interzis in Iran, dar la indemina cu ajutorul contrabandei. Conform legii islamice, e imoral ca femeile si barbatii care nu sint rude sa socializeze.



Silicoane pe www.ayatollah.islam

Ayatollahii dau consultatii si online. Frecvent, femeile intreaba daca este corect din punct de vedere islamic sa iti maresti sinii cu silicon. Raspuns: „Profetul Mohammad a spus ca tot ce face bine omului, ii imbunatateste viata si nu face rau trupului, este islamic si indicat“.



Pe strada, la tot pasul, tineri sau tinere pe ale caror nasuri se vede un plasture. Maryam arata mindra spre ceea ce cindva era un nas coroiat, specific iranian: „In Iran, unele operatii estetice sint mai ieftine ca-n Occident. Eu mi-am facut operatia in Germania, am crezut ca o sa fac senzatie cu nasul meu cirn, european, dar cind m-am intors, dupa un an la studii acolo, aici, toate colegele mele aveau nasul «reparat», implant la buze, unele chiar si-au marit sinii. Dar asta se intimpla mai ales la Teheran. Nu toata lumea are bani“.



Eminem si legaturi primejdioase

Weekend. Pe strazile din Teheran circula masini care vibreaza de muzica tehno, house ori rap. Favorit e inca Eminem. Se aude si muzica locala, un amestec de acorduri traditionale persane si tehno ori dance. Un mall din nordul luxos al Teheranului. Apar doua tinere puternic machiate, cu saluri inflorate.Se asaza la o masa din restaurantul mall-ului, iau cite un suc din care beau cite putin vreme de peste o ora. Zimbesc mult, privind la mesele din jur. Niste barbati din apropiere schimba doar citeva vorbe cu ele, zimbind si ei. Totul pare foarte decent. Negocierile adevarate se poarta cu pestele fetelor, care apare ca din pamint. Tarif? 100 de euro. Locatia? Nu hotel, pentru ca e nevoie de prezentarea unui certificat de casatorie, dar, in rest, prostituatele sint la indemina si-n Teheran.


Jumatate democratie, jumatate teocratie

Presedintele si parlamentarii sint alesi prin vot direct de populatie.
Cele mai puternice institutii ramin cele clericale, cu membri numiti, nu alesi.
Cel mai puternic om in stat e liderul suprem religios, apoi urmeaza presedintele Consiliului Expedientei, abia apoi presedintele. Politica externa e decisa de lider, nu de presedinte.
Liderul spiritual suprem este ales de un Consiliu al Expertilor format din ayatollahi.Consiliul Gardienilor (6 ayatollahi + 6 juristi in drept islamic, numiti de liderul suprem) aproba legile trecute de parlament si candidatii la posturi publice. Legile respinse sint mediate de Consiliul Expedientei.
Comandamentul fortelor armate este numit tot de liderul suprem.

[Mariyah]

S-a indepartat mult discutia, s-a ajuns sa se vorbeasca despre shia si sunni .
Cred ca ar trebui creat un thread special in forumul Islamul.
Initial, threadul isi propunea o prezentare a Iranului din perspectiva mass media.

[Cynthia]

adica

domnule suleiman mai devreme in postul casatorie temporara unde vorbim de shiiti si suniti ne zici sa nu mai folosim cuvantul shia sau suna pt ca noi suntem musulmanii,ok dar aici vii dumneata si pur si simplu "cam iei in gluma "ce cred shiiti nu stiu de unde ai scos asta,iar doamna ummrashid la fel ,care indeamna oamenii sa citeasca acele site-uri care sunt niste palavragelii,scrise de sunniti care fac diferenta ,care vor cearta intre shiiti si suniti,cumva uita-ti ca sunte-ti musulmanii inainte de suniti si shiiti?Profetul Mohammad inainte sa moara a spus ca cel care v-a continua cu islamul va fii varul sau ali,noi shiiti nu credem ca ali este mai presus de profet,ci noi dupa moartea profetului l-am urmat pe ali sotul fiicei profetului Fatima si respectiv varului,adica familiei profetului.din cauza acestei diferente uitati-va ce se intampla in iraq-razboi civil intre suniti si shiiti.

MASHALLAH!!!!MASHALLAH!!!!Alhamduliallah!

sunt total deacord.
ah si puteti gasi aici : hawzah punct net si pe
al-shia punct com doar pe astea doua va puteti baza(nu-i drept ca eu nu pot publica linkuri)
pe alte situri nu va puteti baza din cate stiu...

[Cynthia]

salamu aleikum wr wb
este sincer foarte trist ca suniti ii acuza pe shiti si vice versa o da!
sincer peste tot exista suniti si shiti modeli ai islamului si sunt carora nu le pasa de islam deloc , dar uneori se bat in piept ca ei sunt musulmani . o mare problema am avut cu fratele meu student la stoma care ii uraste pe musulmani numindu-i ipocriti ca toti beau alcool in luna ramadanului ziua si lumea rade de ei . sau ca isi bat joc de fete cumparandu-le pentru "distractie"

nu stiu,or fi shiti sau suNniti nu imi pasa.
ideea este ca sunt diversi oameni care nu sunt bine educati,probabil fortati la islam
cunosc fete din tehran pe net care apar fara val si dezbracate in poze, webcam , ele nu cunosc esenta islamului . una zicea " si mama stie ca am MAI MULTI PRIETENI(BOYFRIENDS)".
casatoria temporara?Mohammad nu a interzis-o,nici cand era pe moarte . pe durata de timp?nici vorba,e haram sa faci pe o durata de timp si fara acordul tatzilor,si sincer haram daca nu intentionezi sa chiar o iei de nevasta . deci fazele cu t*rf*** casatoria pe 3 sunt minciuni , sau da se poate intampla , dar se stie ca e haram (scuzati de expresii)
de asemenea, fetele acolo vor doar sa fie occidentale,moderne
modeste? nici vorba, ce e aia ? .
de altfel unele ziceau ca le surade ideea "hindu,budha" altele ziceau ca ele cred in isus ca era fiul lui Allah , abureli d genu
am vb cu baieti care mi s-au plans ca NU VOR sa vada "t*rf***" care poarta val aiurea si nu poarta chadoor sau macar haina nu stramta si pana la genunchi . altu a zis ca taicasau nu mai vb cu el de o vreme doar pentru ca discuta cu mine pe net,eu fiind inamicul nr 1 "o fata!!!!!din romania!aaa!FATA!!"

eu am invatat islamul de la iranieni . pot sa va zis ca nu difera d ce stiti voi . si nu il iau pe ali ca fiind superior . nu il fac pe Allah mincinos nici pe jibril sa fi comis vre-o greseala,nu se roaga sojdeh cu capul pe piatra de la nush ce mormant ci iau piatra,lemn sau hartie sa puna capul peste,ca sa nu atinga capul material facut de om,sa rupa total legatura cu creatiile omului.

of si multe altele . eu zic ca doar Allah poate decide cine e musulman si cine nu .
parca vad ca toti sariti ca zic minciuni.doar am scris ce stiu . nimic altceva .
SALAM!!SALAMU ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAH WA BARAKATUH

[ibadat]

as salam wa alecum wa rahmatulah wa baracatuhu. aveti ceva in romana despre shia? as dori sa stiu care sunt diferentele religioase si nu numai. pt mine este important sa stiu , pt ca nu imi place deloc separerea asta

[ibadat]

Eu am vazut shia care fumeaza in timpul postului, pt ca ei considera makruh fumul pe care il inhaleaza. Ciudat este ei sarbatoresc pe imamul husein prin varsare de sange(am vz in irak) . STIU CA PROFETUL mUHAMMAD NU DOREA SA I SE SARBATORESCA ZIUA DE NASTERE SAU SA SE JELEASCA LUMEA LA mormantul lui. atunci de ce sa facem asa cu imamul husein? El a fost un martir , sunt multi martiri care au murit pt islam si daca i-am comemora pe toti ar fi in fiecare zi sarbatoare, cu toate ca noi musulmanii nu avem decat 2 mari sarbatori. as intreba pe un barbat shia-i-ar conveni ca mama lui sau sora lui sa fie zawaj mutA?oricum fiecare e liber sa faca ce vrea. ps-eu il respect pe imamul husein si pe multi altii

[Cynthia]

iarasi aceeasi poveste am auzit am vazut . eu as zice citeste documenteaza-te
pt ca exista oameni care fac totul gresit.precum am mai mentionat . sunt omuleti care nu au fost educati si posibil sa creada ca asa era corect . da va arat exact dar nu am in engleza

There are seemingly widespread misconceptions about Shia doctrines, regarding how and why the Shia uphold them.

It is often said that the Shia worship or deify Imam Ali ; however, this refers to a group who actually lived in Ali's time and who saw him as an incarnation of God. Ali, upon learning this, had them killed (they are known as the Ghulat and have no association with the Shia). The term Shia literally means the Party. Early on, the Shia were referred to as Shiat Ali, or The Party of Ali. While the majority of Muslims at the time of Muhammed's death favoured Abu Bakr as the Caliph, a large portion of the population supported Ali, the prophet's son-in-law and cousin. Therefore, the Shia do not recognize Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as the first three caliphs. (Ali was recognized as the fourth caliph in 656 C.E.)

Shia Islam was seen by some as a political-religious sect that recognizes the leadership of Ali and his descendants. Theologically, Sunni Islam and Shia Islam do not differ, however many schools of thought that developed later on did become differentiated. Shia Islam claims it follows the words of Muhammad as given to him through divine guidance from God in the Qur'an.

However, the Alawites a sect of Shia Islam , hold Ali as an incarnation of God. [7] The majority of Shias denounce such beliefs as blasphemous [citation needed] and against the grain of Islam (absolute, total and inarguable belief and existence of one God) . Shia do not view Ali as a Prophet as many accuse them of doing. He is seen only as the proper protector of the Islamic nation after the death of the prophet Muhammad.

While Shia and Sunni Muslims accept the same sacred text, the Qur'an, it is claimed by Salafi's that the Shia dispute the current version. Nonetheless, Shias say that the accusation is false, as they believe that the Qur'an has never been maliciously altered.

Misconception: Shi'a hate the Sahaba [6] Fact: Shi'a disassociate (Tabarra) themselves from people they consider to be enemies of Allah and Muhammad's progeny (Ahl al-Bayt). The Prophets (AS) were greatest (of them, Muhammad, was the highest), and The Prophets (AS) mentions in a famous hadith that the only recompense he seeks is love for him and his Ahl-ul Bayt (people of his house) (AS). See also Qur'an 42:23 and 33:33. The Shi'a disassociate themselves from people who Sunnis consider to be righteous companions of Muhammad (AS) because the Sunnis' definition of a righteous companion does not adhere with the teachings of Muhammad (AS). More accurately, it can be stated that Shi'a and Sunni differ on who the companions of Muhammad were, and even among those agreed on, Shi'a do not consider all of them to be fully sincere because of their actions and hostile treatment toward the Prophet's family following his death. [7].
[B]Misconception[/B]: The Shi'a are a political sect [8]
Fact: The Shi'a do not see themselves as a political sect, in fact, some interpretations of the Shi'a state that one should not get involved into politics before the re-emergence of the twelfth imam.
[B]Misconception[/B]: The Shi'as apply the ancient Persian idea of royal inheritance to Muhammad's progeny and merely replace royal inheritance with Imamah.[citation needed] Fact: Shia's do not believe that Imamat is inherited but instead individuals were chosen by Allah. This is why the brother might be chosen or the youngest child might be chosen which is not the case with royal inheritance.
[B]Misconception[/B]: That the Shi'a believe that Gabriel made a mistake in bringing the revelation to Muhammad instead of Ali. That the Shi'a say "Gabriel betrayed" (Arabic: خان امين) after their prayer.

Fact: Shias say that "Allah is the greatest" (Arabic: الله اكبر) after their prayer and do not believe that angels or God can make mistakes. (For reference, See article al-islam . org / underattack / 2 . htm )
[B]Misconception[/B]: That the Shi'a believe in their Imams as equals to the Islamic prophet Muhammad [9]

Fact: Shi'as believe that the Prophet was the greatest man who was and will be created. They believe the Imams were sent on this earth to continue preaching the message of the Holy Prophet(s) ; thus a full and exact knowledge of the message is required. Therefore , the Imams, who act as middlemen between God and His followers , must have the same knowledge of the message to be transmitted as the prophets who originally received the message in order to pass it on in its exact form . Also Allah (Swt) promised the people that He would never leave the ummah without a living guide, thus following the death of Muhammad (AS), Imam Ali (AS) was the rightful and appointed successor by the man himself.)
Misconception: That, similarly to Christian beliefs about Jesus, the Shi'a believe in the sacrifice of a sacred person by the name of Husayn ibn Ali, to save the Ummah from their sins [10].
Shi'a Answer: False. The words above are twisted and changed entirely with added and wrong meaning to portray a very wrong picture of a Shia scholarly theory that resembles in no way with what has been stated above. Even the original scholarly theory, though completely different in words and meaning, is not an obligatory belief of the Shia.
[B]Misconception[/B]: That the Shi'a are a Sufi sect
Shi'a Answer: This is a baseless claim.
[B]Misconception[/B]: That the Shi'a are a Jewish sect [6].
Shi'a Answer: This fairy tale misconception is commonly used with the claim that ibn-e Saba was a Jew and that it was a Jewish conspiracy. This man was an extremist and his faith and the faith of the people in his small sect (see below) is not within the boundaries of Islam according to both Sunni and Shia schools of thought.
[B]Misconception[/B]: That the Shi'a believes that Ali is Allah Fact: Ancient minor sects claimed that Ali was a re-incarnation of Allah, Ali himself rejected this, and Shia and Sunnis both rejected these groups as being outside the bounds of Islam.
Misconception: Shi'a are Persians who hate Arabs [12].
Shi'a Answer: This is again incorrect. Islam has no room for racialism as documented by various books of the sayings of Muhammad. The Shia-Muslims are currently in majority in the Persian lands (Iran). The cruel Ummayyad Merwanid Abbasid Monarchs murdered and oppressed the Shia and the Descendants of the family of Muhammed (Banu Hashim, the clan of Muhammed and the Ahl-e Bayt, the People of the House, which include the 12 Imams) and drove them out of Hijaz, currently Saudi Arabi, long ago (See book, History of the Prophets and Kings, translated by Watt, Montgomery, written by Muhammad Ibn Jarir Al-Tabari, the oldest translations of his book were made in French.) The Shia are not fond of Saddam Hussain as he was an admirer of the Umayyad and Abbasid works and according to him '.. The survivors of the Karbala should have been finished with Imam Hussain and this whole matter would have ended there ...'. Truth is, the Abbasid came into power using the Shia and when their monarchs, particularly, Al-Mansur ignored the religion of God and busied himself in stabilizing the regime and gaining power, the Shia leadership withdrew their support for the Abbasids. Without religious backing of the scholars, no one could have ruled the Arabian kingdom and thus the Sunni scholars were brought forth and their religious works were adopted as state religion and brutally enforced.
Misconception: Shi'a believe Fatimah had "her own" Qur'an [13]
Shi'a Answer: False. Any Muslim scholar can write their own Tafsir or detailed explanation of Qu'ran. It may have been a personal collection of explanation of the verses in Qur'an called Tafsir among other prayers which was what she heard from her father, the Holy Prophet Muhammad, through her life. Shi'a believe in the exact same arabic text Qur'an, with 114 chapters, as the one the Sunni possess today
[B]Misconception[/B]: That Ibn Saba founded Shia Islam [6].
Shi'a Answer: False.. In this fictional story woven by the claimants, they also claim that Ibn-e Saba killed the third caliph Usman and instated Ali bin Abi Talib as the fourth caliph of Islam, which is obviously a prepostrous attempt on history. (For reference, see al-islam . org / underattack / 5 . htm Also see al-islam . org / encyclopedia / chapter10 / 1 . html )
Misconception: Shi'a slander A'isha, breaking Qura'nic rules
Shi'a Answer: False. Scroll the page further for an answer. (For reference, see www . answering-ansar . org / answers / ayesha / en / index . php )

[ibadat]

NU AI SI CEVA IN ROMANA? NU INTELEG ENGLEZA. PAI DACA II INTREB PE CEI CARE FUMEAZA IN TIMPUL POSTULUI O SA IMI SPUNA CA EI AU DREPTATE. NU MAI STIU CE SA CRED

[Cynthia]

Claim: There could not be any hypocrites amongst those who Sunni consider Sahaba, since Muhammad or God would have known this. Claiming that the Sahaba were unrighteous equals making the same accusations against Muhammad and God [6]
Shi'a Answer: The Shia believe that Muhammad, through Divine guidance, knew that some of the companions were hypocrites so this claim is baseless. The chapter of Qur'an called The Hypocrites is an irre------------ble proof that there indeed were hypocrites in the vast company of the Holy Prophet. The reason why most of these people were not pointed out is due to the delicate state Islam was in at it's birth, as it needed care and nurturing so the message could ultimately reach all of humanity.

Claim: Shi'a are contradicting themselves by insulting Abu Bakr and his daughter, but regarding his son as a good person, especially since he "does not have any contribution in raising Islam"[6].
Shi'a Answer: Shia do not believe that his son had "no contribution in raising Islam." Furthermore, not having a major contribution in "raising Islam" does not mean that you are a good or bad person. Instead it is purposely hindering of the true Islamic movement that reveals your bad intentions which is what Abu Bakr and Aisha did according to the Shia. God says 'We bring forth peace from chaos and chaos from peace'. No one calling themselves a Muslim scholar can deny the untainted works of early historians like 'Al-Tabari' that support Shia views.

Claim: By insulting Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, Shi'a are destroying Islam, since Islam is transmitted through them [6].
Shi'a Answer: Islam is transmitted and preserved through the Prophets successors the 12 Imams who have maintained the sanctity of it's original principles (e.g., doing Justice in all things in life) and in their original form as instructed by the Holy Prophet. Human nature itself suggests that the modern day Sunni idea that the character of all the companions of the Prophet is examplarily pious, infallible and not open to comment is all but very doubtfull. Especially when that idea is contradicted by our holy book, the Qur'an, as mentioned above.

Claim: Shi'a are disbelievers for being enraged by the Sahaba [6].
Shi'a Answer: A baseless claim with no supportive evidence.

Claim: Shi'a curse Muhammad by cursing the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs [6].
Shi'a Answer: A baseless claim with no supportive evidence.

Claim: Shi'a curse Ali by cursing Umar, since Umar was Alis son-in-law [6].
Shi'a Answer: Marital relations do not make one idealistically synonymous especially during those times. However, Umar was not Ali's son-in-law. The husband of umme kulthum (Ali's daughter) was Aun bin Ja'far and not Umar.

Claim: Shi'a curse Hasan by cursing Muawiya, since they negotiated peace [6].
Shi'a Answer: Imam Hassan, son of Ali ibn Abi Talib, was never fond of Muawiya because of his treachery and Muawiya later got him assassinated like his father before him. Muawiya's worst action was empowering his son Yazid who's notorious character and action is known to all and well documented even today. This also corrupted the very basic Islamic idea, that should have been the life support of it through time, that only the best of the Momineen, character and piety wise, can be Caliph, the rightly guided Imams, are qualified to be Caliphs of the Islamic state, but certainly not the power hungry monarchs who preceded Yazid and severely damaged Islam. This is the very basic Shia view of running the state and has been made the bone of contention by the Islamic state run by monarchs.
Muhammad's wives

Claim: Shi'a curse Muhammad's wives, "the most important part of his family" [6].
Shi'a Answer: Another baseless claim. Shia do not have negative views about all of Muhammads wives instead they view them as individuals who are responsible for their actions just like everyone else. But Shia do believe that the first three caliphs were usurpers and ignored the Khumm-e-Ghadeer public announcement by the Prophet that Ali bin Abi Talib is to succeed him. As Aisha, the daughter of the first caliph Abu Bakr, supported them, they do not take kindly to her, as she also raised an army against the fourth caliph and her son-in-law, Ali bin Abi Talib. Ali forgave Aisha but many Shias do not. The resulting civil war by the rebellion of Muawiya, the governor of Syria, claimed the lives (and perhaps faith) of a great many number of Muslims. (For reference, see www . answering-ansar . org / answers / ayesha / en / index . php )
Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Hifza daughter of Umer, were both disobedient wives of prophet Muhammad. They tortured him, and therefore Allah scolded them in Quran. Read the commentary or tafseer of the following Ayat's in Quran, "O, you two wives of the prophet, your hearts are twisted".

Ahl al-Bayt

Claim: Shi'a depict Ali as weak, when they insist that Ali was robbed of his power, especially considering he had the upper hand, in contrast to Ali fighting for Islam when he was among the few in Mecca.[6].
Shi'a Answer: Imam Ali was never robbed of his power. No one can rob him of successorship just as no one can rob the prophet of prophethood. When he was entrusted with the Caliphate, in order to undo the innovations of the earlier Caliphs, Ali needed full public support, understanding and trust due to the delicate nature of such things. This could not be done because a lot of prominent companions of the Prophet were being martyred in the civil war, and most of this time was wasted by rebellions, until he himself was assassinated and Muawiya gained control after negotiating peace with Ali's son, Imam Hassan, who at that time did not have public support and favor like his father once did. Hassan was later poisoned and assassinated and the times of monarchy ensued. Earlier, after the death of the Holy Prophet, Ali, the Lion of God, did not use the sword in the matter, as he was forbidden to do so, for the sake of development of Islam.

Claim: Shia also take their Imams as gods other than Allah.[6].
Shi'a Answer: Absolutely false. Our Imams are of the family of the Prophet and rightly guided and true guidance may only be received through them. These are people who, like the Holy Prophet, spent their lives in service of God, in poverty and adverse conditions, always threatened by the Arabian monarchs. They are servants of God and guides to humanity. That is our faith.

[Cynthia]

ce sa iti fac acum lol?
in romana n-ai sa gasesti mai nimic
ideea e ca ei nu traiesc mai gresit decat sunitii.si astia din cluj la medicina toti sunt suniti.nici un shiit intre ei. dar astfel NU AM CUM SA GENERALIZEZ. ca tot asa un preot catolic poate sa corupa o femeie sau un minor ceea ce nu inseamna ca toti fac asa. musulmanii care gresesc sunt cei carora nu a ajuns credinta sa se infiripeze in suflet. de ei nu cred in ceva,prin urmare fac invers cerintelor.se razvratesc ... sa ce?nu stiu.. probabil ca ei stiu ce e bine si ce nu, dar aranjeaza pacatele in asa fel incat sa le iasa lor bine si sa traiasca comod.
nu se poate generaliza. si vreau sa subliniez ideea ca nu poti si nu ai voie sa judeci sau sa traiesti DUPA AUZITE .nu stiu, curiozitatea pe mine ma omoara. nu pot accepta ceva atat de usor. trebuie sa caut si sa vad concret ca da domnule chiar scrie undeva,chiar asa e regula. nu iti place ce auzi de shiti? nu ti se pare ca adevarul suna chiar bine sau corect ? iau pormoneul, pasaportul si saculetul de merinde si fa o excursie undeva unde is shiti. (nu ma adreses direct cuiva acum ) cel putin eu asa am sa fac.

[ummraschid]

assalamu alaikum wa rahmatu-llahi wa barakatuhu

dragi frati si surori fillah,

...se prea poate ca si intre shiiti sa existe diferite curente si diferente de principii si comportament...
...insa nimeni nu poate nega faptul ca diferentele intre sunna si shia sant mult mai mari decat am putea noi sa le redam, si cu citate de pe site-uri, nu vom rezolva absolut nimic...

Religia noastra, Islamul, pe care ne-a lasat-o Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala prin Profetul Muhammad , est bazata pe Qur'an si SUNNA...noi ii respectam pe sahaba si nu acceptam minciuni puse pe seama lor...

...am putea da o multime de exemple, draga sora Cynthia, insa acest forum este SUNNIT si dorinta fratelui administrator este sa nu deviem de la Islam...

...inshaallah, daca doresti, iti pot arata pe privat, siteuri informative, bineinteles daca esti cu adevarat doritoare sa afli adevarul!...

...cu rezerva ca , asa cum ai spus si tu, nu toti shiitii au aceleasi principii religioase, iata marturisirea lor de credinta :


The Alteration of the Islamic Kalimah in Iran, and the addition Khomeini therein:




The Alteration in the Shahaadah (Testification to the oneness of Allah Ta'ala and the Risaalat of Muhammad by the Iranian Shi'as: {extracted from "Wahdat Islami" June 1984 issue}.



{Translation : I bear witness that there is no deity besides Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allaah and that Ali is the Wali of Allaah and I bear witness that Khomeini is the Rooh of Allaah and His Hujjat upon His creation."}

...si
din Usool al- Kafi , colectie de hadith atribuite Imamilor shiiti, Profetului, , scrisa de catre Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni , un invatat shiit, decedat in 328 H, echivalenta colectiei de hadithuri Sunnite, si despre care invatatii shiiti spun:


AlHur Al'amily said "The authors of the Four Books of shia (Al-Kafi , AlIstibsaar , AlTahzeeb , Mun La YahDuruHu Alfaqeeh) have testified that the Hadiths of their books are accurate (saheeh) , firm and well conducted from the roots that all shia agreed on , and if you consider those scholars (the authors of the four books) are reliable then you must accept their sayings and their narrations . " [Alwasa'el , volume 20 , page 104]

AlTabRassy said: "Al-Kafi among the four shia books (AlTahzeeb , Al-Kafi , AlIsTibSar , mun la YahDuruhu Alfaqeeh) is like the sun among the stars , and who looked fairly would not need to notice the position of the men in the chain of hadiths in this Book , and if you looked fairly you would feel satisfied and sure that the hadiths are firm and accurate." [MusTaDrak AlWasa'el, volume 3 , page 532]


AlKhomeini said: Now, I think each and everyone of us is interested to know what this Book (Al-Kafi) contains, the book that made all those Shia Scholars praise it and recommend it, actually even blamed their followers for not applying more effort of studying and research as AlKhomeini said in his book (Al-Hukumah Al-Islamiyyah page 72) !!.

...si iata extrase din aceasta colectie!



The Imams have knowledge of All that was given to the angels and the prophets. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.255 )

The Imams know when they will die, and they only die by their choice. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.258 )

The Imams have knowledge of the past and ---------ure; and nothing is hidden from them. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.260 )


"Obedience to `Ali is true humility and disobedience to him is disbelief in Allah" (Al-Kafi vol.10 p.54)

Sahabah (R.H) became infidel by denying the divine right (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. First three caliph and other Sahabas became infidel by denying the divine right of (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. (Al Kafi, Page No. 420)


All Imams are equal in rank and status to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s). (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 270)

...citate din alte carti shiite:

"The person who says that the present Quran is complete is a liar because the “complete Quran” was compiled by Hazrat Ali" (Fasl-ul-khitaab fee tahreef kitaab rab-ul- arbab, page 4, Noori Tibri).

"The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses)." (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page 382).

"When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran." (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page 336, safdar Husain najfi).



...fie ca Allah ta'ala sa ne tina departe de asemenea minciuni, si sa ne apere de DISIMULAREA shiitilor, caci aceasta este una dintre cele mai importante doctrine ale lor:
TAQIYYAH


This is one of the most Important Imami Shia doctrine this doctrine is know as Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute lot od fabricated ahaadeeth for doctrine called Taqiyyah which means that a person holds a specific belief in his heart but his speech is contrary to his inner beliefs and it is through this that they deceive the Ahlus Sunnah. They claim to believe in the Quran and in the Sahabah (R.A) whereas this is not their belief. They accuse Nabi (SAW) and the Ahle Bayt of this as well. They write many virtues of Taqiyyah so that they can use this weapon to the utmost. They say: "He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it."


urmatoarele citate sant din literatura Shia:

"A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)

It is permissible to join the gatherings of the nasibis (non shia) by acting upon Taqiyyah. [Athare Haideri Urdu, (tafseer hasan askari) by Shareef Husain, line 15, page 500, Imamiyah kutub khana Edition, Lahore].


"Mix with them (i.e.non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)



deasemenea, cu privire la Sfantul Qur'an:

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/...fabricated.htm

...frati si surori fillah,
inshaallah, sa ma iertati ca v-am supus ochii la citirii acestor enormitati, si inshaallah, Allah ta'ala sa ma ierte de a le fi scris...AstaghfirAllah...